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  Steve Jobs on Longhorn
Time: 18:14 EST/23:14 GMT | News Source: Seattle PI | Posted By: Jonathan Tigner

We're seeing tremendous software innovation within Apple because of that, both in the operating system itself and the applications that go with it, as well as our applications division. Tremendous, tremendous innovation. I think we can out-innovate Microsoft. I think we have, I think we've proven that. I think we will continue to. We're on our fourth major release of Mac OS X within three years. Microsoft, they're looking like they're running four years between software releases, and we're roughly one a year right now. ... Their last release was in 2001, and Longhorn looks like it will get out in 2006, maybe. Maybe. That's five years! ...

They're hoping in 2006 to be where we were in Jaguar, basically. That's what they're hoping. Obviously we're going to have a few more releases before 2006 so we'd be way ahead of them by then. But that's what they're hoping for, and maybe they'll do that. They have a lot of people to work on it, but it's a rough row to hoe. You've got a lot of apps that have to change. It's taken us -- Jaguar was really the first release of Mac OS X that really took off and it was our third release, before we finally had all the developers on board, everybody had learned about the new stuff enough, rewritten their apps enough, enough apps were out, and I don't see that the laws of physics are going to be too different for them. It's going to be a long road. They have perseverance, and they'll make it, but it's not going to happen the year they release their operating system. It takes a while. But in any event, I have a lot of confidence that we can be the most innovative software company ... going forward.

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#1 By 2332 (65.221.182.2) at 11/7/2003 6:36:18 PM
LOL.

What a poor, clueless man.

#2 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 11/7/2003 6:42:44 PM
Microsoft asks what the customers want and delivers it.

I'm not certain Apple cares what the customers want.

#3 By 17996 (66.191.120.31) at 11/7/2003 7:06:35 PM
Haha, he compares current Windows (2000, XP) with OS 9 and Longhorn with OS X? I think a more accurate comparison is Windows 95/98/Me with OS 9 and under, and Windows NT/2000/XP with OS X.

#4 By 10022 (24.169.28.128) at 11/7/2003 7:12:50 PM
maybe if 10.3 was 10.0 you could almost make a case that they could maybe compete with WindowsXP.

but 10.3 is the 4th "major" release- each one adding in half baked features without fixing real problems.

There is no way 10.3 or 10.4 or 10.5 will even come close to XP at the rate they are going.

You just cant have a networking system so broken or a printing system so useless or applications that wont even install to make comments like that!

And if you dont even have half the features of Windows, you CANNOT claim to offer more! You CANNOT KEEP LYING!

There would be no way i would give up my 1.2 Athlon for a dual 2 GHz G5- i would not want to downgrade my REAL WORLD performance! I simply do not have the patience to wait for an application to open or a window to open or 3 minuets to start the thing up (i can startup in 45 sec with my machine).

And for all you Mac nuts- you better start learning Unix because if you want your machine to function you're going to have to start! because the days of deleting youre preference files and zapping your PRAM to fix everything are over.

I think MS has learned alot from OS X and delayed Longhorn accordingly - and its a simple thing at that - DO NOT RELASE A HALF COMPLETED OS AND EXPECT IT TO WORK.

#5 By 3339 (64.160.58.135) at 11/7/2003 7:14:43 PM
Haha, you're too retarded to understand he's making a parallel to the state of new, forward looking technology and backward compatibility -- he's not talking about features. Hence, the whole bit about focusing on the first 8 floors, etc... It is very clear that the new features of Longhorn are a significant departure from current Windows tech... meaning it is going to take a couple of years to get developers up to speed and there are going to be years where the OS is carrying around backward compatibility baggage. Hence, the transition from XP to Longhorn is most definitely like OS 9 to OS X. Get it yet?

Ha, ha.

This post was edited by sodajerk on Friday, November 07, 2003 at 19:16.

#6 By 2332 (65.221.182.2) at 11/7/2003 11:21:00 PM
#8 - It's a bit more compilcated than that. While there isn't a whole lot of info out there right now from MS, it looks like Microsoft composition engine is considerably more powerful than Apple's.

BUT, Apple already has a fully functional composition engine which they have to improve on.

My bet is that Longhorn and OS X 2005 will have similar capabilities when they finally arrive.

The graphics stuff is cool, but that's not the really exciting thing about Longhorn. WinFX and WinFS are hardcore, and will really change the way we use our computers.

Some of the sidebar demos that utilized Indigo were just freakin' awesome...

#7 By 6859 (12.219.23.70) at 11/8/2003 10:56:00 AM
I guess this proves that once you have a bad acid trip, it can affect you for life. He's clearly still tripping.

#8 By 415 (68.54.23.218) at 11/8/2003 1:50:58 PM
Please, Steve, you poor guy... You must have had your head up your rectum for far too long.

#9 By 7760 (12.155.143.50) at 11/10/2003 3:13:46 AM
"They're hoping in 2006 to be where we were in Jaguar, basically." - Steve Jobs

What Steve Jobs is hoping is that they're where Microsoft is in market share... in 2106.

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