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Netscape 7.0 Final Released!

Time: 12:08 EST/17:08 GMT | News Source: Warp2Search | Posted By: Byron Hinson

Warp2search.com has noticed that Netscape 7 final has been release:

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#1 By macrosslover (623 Posts) at 8/29/2002 1:38:24 PM

LOL

#2 By montanagrizzly (471 Posts) at 8/29/2002 1:42:56 PM

uh, yippee? Already running Mozilla 1.1 as my test for Nutscrape users (Mozilla is nice and doesn't try to load the Real-expensive and AOHell crap.

#3 By bob670 (217 Posts) at 8/29/2002 1:47:56 PM

Yes, LOL, another alternative arrives. But choice is bad, or so I hear round these parts...

#4 By RedAvenger (1156 Posts) at 8/29/2002 2:20:45 PM

Choice is good. However I still don't like Mozilla/Netscape. If it rendered everything exactly the same as IE I would like it a lot. Thats one and all in all it does a pretty good job.

The thing I can't get past with this application is its interface. The built their retarded XUL interface which is cross platform/ powerful bla bla I have head the arguments before.

Thats great and all however no one wants that. What we all want is the normal widgets that come with our platform. It absolutely bugs the crap out of me when someone decides they are graphic geniuses and make their own interface. Their is a reason all windows apps look similar. Dont recreate the wheel. If I am in OS X I want the browser to look like an os X app.

However choice is good. This choice isn't for me though.

#5 By OpenZine (49 Posts) at 8/29/2002 2:24:11 PM

Netscape should just go into the toiletpaper business

#6 By Flyer00 (15 Posts) at 8/29/2002 2:28:05 PM

So if anyone has installed it, what version of Mozilla is it running on?

#7 By sodablue (5246 Posts) at 8/29/2002 2:38:44 PM

bob670 - Who told you choice is bad?

I just told you to stop whining about having no choice when you clearly do.

#8 By Realist (137 Posts) at 8/29/2002 2:44:52 PM

"Mozilla is nice and doesn't try to load the Real-expensive and AOHell crap."

So just download the smaller installer and deselect what you don't want. How difficult is that? Really I think you forget how much Netscape/AOL has put into the Moz project.

" So if anyone has installed it, what version of Mozilla is it running on?"

It Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0

Meaning one of the latest 1.01 builds.

So far I have found it to be very stable and not noticable slower than the 1.1 series. They also have P3P options under cookie management which is nice to see back.

Lastly to restore adblocking go here and simply click the link
http://ufaq.org/ns7/adblocker.html

Overall a nice crossplatform browser alternative.

#9 By bob670 (217 Posts) at 8/29/2002 2:52:26 PM

Sodablue, your arrogant prattle doesn't really bother me, given a choice of being agitated or amused by your barbs, I'll go with amused. I never said there wansn't a choice, but I find you typically only read about half a person post before you respond. Unless that person has really irritated you, then you pick apart each word line by line. Your getting predictable these days, flame on...

#10 By JaggedFlame (2581 Posts) at 8/29/2002 2:53:16 PM

"So just download the smaller installer and deselect what you don't want. How difficult is that? Really I think you forget how much Netscape/AOL has put into the Moz project."

Why the hell would you do that when you can just get Mozilla?

#11 By JaggedFlame (2581 Posts) at 8/29/2002 2:55:39 PM

bob670, not only are you predictable, but you seem to conveniently forget what you said in the same thread.

"But choice is bad, or so I hear round these parts..."

"I never said there wansn't a choice"

Riiiight. And even if you were being sarcastic about your first comment, all sodablue did was ask you who gave you the impression that we think choice is bad. Certainly doesn't deserve a moronic retort such as yours.

This post was edited by JaggedFlame on Thursday, August 29, 2002 at 14:57.

#12 By Realist (137 Posts) at 8/29/2002 3:01:13 PM

"Why the hell would you do that when you can just get Mozilla?"

Umm because some people would rather use Netscape for whatever reason. WTF do you care? Do you really think that the corporations or people that still use Netscape are going to migrate to Mozilla and not Netscape? Myself, I'll go back to testing and filing reports on the Moz nightlies soon enough, but for now I'll give version 7 a whirl if that's O.K. with you.

#13 By TechLarry (3775 Posts) at 8/29/2002 4:04:08 PM

Realist response in #12 is right on.

Corporate America would never adopt Mozilla, an Open Source Project. At least not the large established one's.

No, those running Netscape, IF they are staying with Netscape, will indeed use Netscape 7.0 because it is a 'branded' product that they can get corporate level support for.

There's nothing wrong with Mozilla. I use it. But it's not a corporate product.

TL

#14 By bob670 (217 Posts) at 8/29/2002 4:15:31 PM

Jagged, you may not recall/know this whole discussion started in another thread yesterday (notice the statement Sodablue was referring to is not in this thread?). It was actually directed at a few others who thought that all development and consideration of Mozilla/Netscape should stop because an insignifigant amount of people used the browser. Basically a groupthink attitude that if it's good enough for you and yours, screw choice and coerce everyone into using the same thing (therefore elminating choice).

And since you have lately been the master of "moronic retorts" I don't feel too bad, I have something to aspire to. I love you and Soda, my first comment wasn't directed at him at all (but his ego lead him to believe I must have been) and now you feel a need to add your $.02 to a discussion that you aren't even completely cognizant of. This happens on message boards all the time, someone is so sure their point was so brilliant that any response must be to them. Seems to happen a lot more around here though, wonder why?

And finally, since the comment wasn't directed at you, why do you care? Check that ego smart guy.

#15 By sodablue (5246 Posts) at 8/29/2002 4:40:12 PM

bob670 - Heh. For someone who doesn't care about my responses, they sure do encourage you to respond. :-)

#16 By baarod (436 Posts) at 8/29/2002 5:45:39 PM

bob670,

Call it a choice if you must but most people won't even consider it and those that do will nearly unanimously reject it. I can't decide which is worse -- positively porcine memory footprint, the glacial load time, the lack of complete support for the DOM and CSS or the endless parade of me-too come-along Microsoft competitors bundled with it.

Call it a choice, yes. But one so repugnant as to do choice itself a disservice. I believe that this will actually help Microsoft's Internet Explorer browser to an even greater market share as exisiting Netscape 4.7 advocates are almost universally disgusted with Netscape 6/7. Their choice is rapidly being made for them -- fewer and fewer webmasters care anything about Netscape support labelling Netscape 4.x a "legacy" browser and arguing that their websites work OK in the "current version" of Netscape. Their corporate drone bosses are buying that line in greater numbers every day. Since the Netscape faithful hate Netscape 6/7 even more than they hate IE, they end up using IE more and more. After a while, they forget the baseless anti-Microsoft propaganda that fueled their misguided hate of IE and browse happily like the vast majority (96% and climbing!), you know, the normal folks.

#17 By hellyon (41 Posts) at 8/29/2002 6:01:03 PM

baarod,

-"positively porcine memory footprint"
Granted, NS6/7 needs to work on getting the memory footprint down.

-"the glacial load time"
Do you mean page loading, or program loading? As far as page loading, I find it no slower, and sometimes faster than IE. As far as program loading, you can turn on Quick Launch and NS will load almost instantaneously.

"the lack of complete support for the DOM and CSS"
-NS 6/7 has better DOM and CSS support than any version of IE

"the endless parade of me-too come-along Microsoft competitors bundled with it."
-In the installer, you can uncheck the bundled apps you don't want to install. I have just installed NS 7 and it forced me to install no extra programs.

#18 By IronCladLou (432 Posts) at 8/29/2002 7:50:58 PM

Netscape/Mozilla gobbles crusty stinking testicles!

Don't be a gobbler...

;-)

#19 By BobSmith (3719 Posts) at 8/29/2002 8:02:43 PM

bob670, you say "It was actually directed at a few others who thought that all development and consideration of Mozilla/Netscape should stop because an insignifigant amount of people used the browser."

If I recall I was a major contributor to the stop development argument. I wasn't arguing for the end of the Mozilla project. I was arguing for the end of web developers worrying about how sites appeared in Mozilla (I guess I should say Gecko, though I could just say non IE) browsers. My statement still stands that 3.4% of the market is not significant enough to worry about.

As for Netscape 7. I'm still annoyed that I can't manipulate the toolbars the same way I can in IE. It feels like a very clunky interface. I have my "file | edit | view ..." Forward, back, stop, refresh...(small icons, no text) and address bar all next to each other. This maximizes my screen real estate. I'd love to do that in Netscape. That is far more important to me than tabbed browsing. I can always alt-tab to go from window to window, but there is nothing I can do in Netcape (other than hide a toolbar altogether) to get that real estate back.

The other thing that bugs me about the netscape setup is the installation of icons everywhere. Two on the destop (one for NS 7 the other for AOL), one on quick launch, two on the all users start menu, two in the program/netcape 7 directory. I don't want or need AOL icons everywhere. I also don't want or need 4 icons for netscape. A max of two (one in programs/netscape 7) and one on the desktop (though I hate it when folks put stuff on my desktop without asking) would be quite sufficient.

Kudos to the developers for producing the browser. It doesn't offer anything compelling enough to make me switch back it from IE though. Most of it feels like IE catch up to me. Even its almost most full CSS support doesn't interest me too much, since most sites are designed for it. Perhaps if AOL gecko-ifies their Windows client we'll see a change in web content authoring. I'm not holding my breath though.

#20 By BobSmith (3719 Posts) at 8/29/2002 8:05:16 PM

Did you even have a point IronClad? Posts like that don't do anything to support your opinion.

#21 By baarod (436 Posts) at 8/30/2002 12:19:37 AM

#17,

-"positively porcine memory footprint"
Granted, NS6/7 needs to work on getting the memory footprint down.

ME: OK who's gonna do it? It sucked in 6 and it sucks more in 7. Looks like we're going backwards rather than forwards. But that's on Windows. On Linux it's somewhat smaller. I guess that goes to show you what the open source developer's interest is. Defame Windows at any cost -or- the just don't know how to code to the most prevalent platform in the world. Perhaps that's why they are wasting time coding this crap. They can't get a job.

-"the glacial load time"
Do you mean page loading, or program loading? As far as page loading, I find it no slower, and sometimes faster than IE. As far as program loading, you can turn on Quick Launch and NS will load almost instantaneously.

ME: Both. Due to NS7's ignorance of common CSS and DOM many pages load slower, even AOL's portal since IE traffic is what's important to them. I'm sure they just haven't gotten around to tweaking it for their failed browser offering yet. Program loading is absolutely glacial and their lame trick of preloading their whole application into memory with their "tray icon" cheat, QuickLaunch, is not acceptable. Plus they lock the pages into memory because they can't code Windows properly. That prevents game players from getting the whole box to play. There's still 20meg locked in RAM at AOL's disposal that NEVER gets used unless you are browsing with their retarded browser. No, thank you, that will be all. The whole XP kernel is less than 20megs and the locked memory is only FIVE! There is no reason in Heaven or Hell for a paltry APPLICATION to lock FOUR TIMES kernel memory. Perhaps that backlash is what caused it's improvement on Linux, it's chosen platform?

"the lack of complete support for the DOM and CSS"
-NS 6/7 has better DOM and CSS support than any version of IE

ME: Perhaps you read that on slashdot? Back it up. Right now.

"the endless parade of me-too come-along Microsoft competitors bundled with it."
-In the installer, you can uncheck the bundled apps you don't want to install. I have just installed NS 7 and it forced me to install no extra programs.

ME: Look, pal, AOL and Real's crap is quite a bit more intrusive to a Windows box than any Microsoft stuff. They don't play by the rules and screw stuff up constantly. All I see is a few bitter losers trying to make a tiny inconsequential name for themselves, and doing it very,very, badly.

#22 By JaggedFlame (2581 Posts) at 8/30/2002 12:40:06 AM

"And since you have lately been the master of "moronic retorts" I don't feel too bad, I have something to aspire to. I love you and Soda, my first comment wasn't directed at him at all (but his ego lead him to believe I must have been) and now you feel a need to add your $.02 to a discussion that you aren't even completely cognizant of. This happens on message boards all the time, someone is so sure their point was so brilliant that any response must be to them. Seems to happen a lot more around here though, wonder why?

And finally, since the comment wasn't directed at you, why do you care? Check that ego smart guy."

Do you even know what a discussion group is? Well, maybe I'll define it for you: Internet discussion group: an Internet discussion group for participants with common interests. Last I checked, I was interested in this topic, and I was a participant.

It's great how you can just assume that just because I don't always post responses here, I'm not reading up on your arguments. Get something through your thick head: people don't always respond because they're talked to. If you want people to be silent until you talk to them, I'd suggest promptly removing your ass from this discussion group.

You know what really happens on message boards all the time? People like you conveniently ignore the point other people are making and just rip on useless crap like "I wasn't talking to you." In most cases, it's because they don't have an adequate response to the actual point at hand.

Better check your own ego. The world doesn't revolve around you so much that you only have to read what you want to.

#23 By JaggedFlame (2581 Posts) at 8/30/2002 12:42:20 AM

"Umm because some people would rather use Netscape for whatever reason. WTF do you care? Do you really think that the corporations or people that still use Netscape are going to migrate to Mozilla and not Netscape? Myself, I'll go back to testing and filing reports on the Moz nightlies soon enough, but for now I'll give version 7 a whirl if that's O.K. with you."

Okay, I guess I forgot to take that perspective into account.

#24 By IronCladLou (432 Posts) at 8/30/2002 12:48:24 AM

Bob, just trying to lighten this place up a bit... however my point is that no matter what I or anyone else says, people will believe what they want. Is all the bickering really worth it?

#25 By hellyon (41 Posts) at 8/30/2002 12:55:04 AM

baarod,

I'll won't bother responding to your comments that are obvious flames, such as "They can't get a job", "they can't code Windows properly" and "They don't play by the rules and screw stuff up constantly." If you can't make your point without groundless attacks, then don't expect people to take you seriously.

"Perhaps you read that on slashdot? Back it up. Right now. "

Although I don't usually respond to rude demands from internet discussion group users, in this case I'll make an exception:
http://www.webstandards.org/act/campaign/buc/
http://gamersdot.org/compair.php
http://www.webreference.com/js/column42/
and in case you want to try it out for yourself:
http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Test/CSS1/current/
http://www.w3.org/DOM/Test/
http://www.mozilla.org/docs/dom/samples/

To sum up, NS6.0's DOM 1 support sucks compared to 6.1+, and IE 6's DOM support is miles above IE5. But NS's (Mozilla's) DOM and CSS support is more complete than IE's.

This post was edited by hellyon on Friday, August 30, 2002 at 01:32.

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