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Announcing the Release of Visual Studio 2005 Beta 1 | |
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| Time: 07:27 EST/12:27 GMT | News Source: Microsoft | Posted By: Jonathan Tigner | ||
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Visual Studio 2005 is the next release of Visual Studio, and includes many of the enhancements that you've told us you want. Be one of the first to learn about the new features in this beta release. MSDN Subscribers will be the first to receive Visual Studio 2005 Beta 1, which will be available for subscriber download within just a few days. MSDN Subscribers will also receive Beta 1 in their next MSDN shipments. Within a few weeks, non-subscribers will also be able to order a copy of Beta 1 for a nominal fulfillment fee. | ||
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| #1 By Parkker (1408 Posts) at 6/29/2004 12:34:41 PM |
| Java. RIP. |
| #2 By humor (315 Posts) at 6/29/2004 2:05:36 PM |
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Java will continue to be...it's the closest competitor of .net, and some people (shocking) will choose to use a product not based on compatibilities, features, stability, or ease of use...but by their own personal feeling and biases.
humor |
| #3 By Halcyon-X12 (4929 Posts) at 6/29/2004 5:04:33 PM |
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I'm sure all of Parkker's predictions will come true anyway. He has always had his fingers on the pulse of the community!
Although the comment makes no sense. Visual Studio is a big IDE/debugger/compiler kit, but it's not the only thing around that can create binaries that run on Windows. Similarly, Java is greater than the scope of Visual Studio since it is a language and not a toolkit. It will exist regardless as to how popular Visual Studio becomes. This post was edited by Halcyon-X12 on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 17:06. |
| #4 By Parkker (1408 Posts) at 6/29/2004 7:02:07 PM |
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"Java is greater than the scope of Visual Studio since it is a language"
Actually, Java, being only a language, is smaller in scope than Visual Studio. And much harder to use. And slower ... way slower. Now that the CLR is accessable from with SQL Server, Java is diminished even more. |
| #5 By Mr. Dee (3459 Posts) at 6/29/2004 7:17:32 PM |
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Java does have a strong developer user base, it will continue to be a alternate platform that powers many devices out there from Cell Phones, PDA's and other devices, so it cannot die.
Now for Visual Studio and the .NET Framework, it will continue to grow at a fast rate, as students who grow upon the Windows platform will be attacted to the capabilities and integration to build for the environment they have grown up on. |
| #6 By Halcyon-X12 (4929 Posts) at 6/29/2004 8:40:46 PM |
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#4 but .NET is limited to one platform, Java isn't. Other platforms need to be supported, larger user base, cross-compatibility, if you want to reach more customers you can't limit yourself. Java is a simple way to develop a cross-platform client without needing to maintain seperate code bases. How does Visual Studio compete with Java on this aspect?
Visual Studio will thrive in the corporate arena, where they're already using it. But growing? It's limiting its own potential. We'll see I guess! This post was edited by Halcyon-X12 on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 at 20:41. |
| #7 By Mr. Dee (3459 Posts) at 6/29/2004 9:19:09 PM |
| Yeah, but thats where the new royalty Windows CE development program comes, so they can get Microsoft technologies into the areas where its not striving. |
| #8 By Parkker (1408 Posts) at 6/30/2004 1:31:53 AM |
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"but .NET is limited to one platform"
Its better to be really, really good on 95% of the worlds computers than slow and mediocre on 97%. "Java is a simple way to develop a cross-platform client without needing to maintain seperate code bases." Myth. Almost none of the major Java toolsets produce truly cross platform code. They each have incompatibilities. And they are all slow. Pig slow. This post was edited by Parkker on Wednesday, June 30, 2004 at 01:33. |
| #9 By Halcyon-X12 (4929 Posts) at 6/30/2004 2:07:27 AM |
| So they only plan to run .NET code on Desktops and not servers? |
| #10 By Parkker (1408 Posts) at 6/30/2004 12:27:22 PM |
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"So they only plan to run .NET code on Desktops and not servers?"
What kind of drivel are you spouting today? 60% of all server shipments are Windows servers. .Net code is great for servers. I've got lots of apps written in.Net running on my web servers. When I use the number 95%, it is because I recognize that server unit shipments are only 1% of desktop shipments. IDC says 1.3 million server units per year. Desktops shipments are near 150 million. Windows has about 95% of the market in terms of overall units shipped including servers. |
| #11 By Halcyon-X12 (4929 Posts) at 6/30/2004 4:29:33 PM |
| But business partners are more important. Apparently .NET isn't even compatible with itself though, you have to choose between Avalon and Windows.Forms. MS is also forcing their developers to use a platform-neutral environment. Up until Longhorn, nearly everything will be developed on .NET to provide an easier transition to the new OS, yes? Mono 1.0 just came out recently and has binary-compatibility with most of .NET including some of Windows.Forms... this will just make it easier than ever for anyone to develop simultaneously on Linux and Windows using MS's own tools. Wtf are they thinking? |
| #12 By Mr. Dee (3459 Posts) at 6/30/2004 7:46:24 PM |
| No Parkker, by 2007 Windows Server should be controlling 60% of the market, I think I read its only at 45%. |
| #13 By Halcyon-X12 (4929 Posts) at 7/1/2004 2:13:37 AM |
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60% is 15% more than 45%, for all of you out there who can't do math. I just thought I could help out.
But that would mean MS would have to get a 33.3~% increase in their current stake to match that figure. How do you propose that they do this? Also, on a seperate note, what happened to ActiveWin when it was down for those 2 or so days? It runs Windows 2003 now, does it not? Did someone trip over the power cord? There was not really any news about this... Did anyone else experience that? |
| #14 By Mr. Dee (3459 Posts) at 7/1/2004 8:00:04 PM |
| It is usually licensing issues #13, not the software. |
| #15 By Halcyon-X12 (4929 Posts) at 7/1/2004 8:36:22 PM |
| Hmm so it is licensing issues that caused the downtime. That's a shame. |
| #16 By Mr. Dee (3459 Posts) at 7/2/2004 8:55:59 PM |
| Its better than hardware or software issues any day to me. |
| #17 By Mr. Dee (3459 Posts) at 7/3/2004 10:27:09 AM |
| What is taking them so long to send it to me? |
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