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  Microsoft under pressure as Windows 8 fails to spur PC sales
Time: 16:29 EST/21:29 GMT | News Source: E-Mail | Posted By: Byron Hinson

In further bad news for the industry, which is struggling against growing smartphone and tablet sales, Gartner said worldwide PC shipments declined to 90.3 million units in the last three months of 2012, indicating that the sector was suffering from a shift in consumer habits as much as a weak global economy. The figures roughly agree with those released by rival analyst house IDC at on Friday. If said fourth quarter sales were down 6.4 per cent on 2011, the first slip for five years.

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#1 By Jedi Master (1829 Posts) at 1/15/2013 5:00:33 AM
Time for a reality check. Windows 8 has bombed. There's no nice way to say it. IMHO, Microsoft lost its ability to be innovative when Ballmer took over the helm.

#2 By rxcall (1411 Posts) at 1/15/2013 6:47:40 AM
I disagree. The real problem is that PC's only need to be replaced every 4 years or so. As we have seen with Apple, they have somehow managed to brainwash prople that it makes sense to pay $700 every 6 months for a new iPad with minor improvements while selling their old iPad for $300. Hmmm, thats $1100 for an iPad per year. That's a great business plan if it is sustainable. I believe that as more and more people get these things, they will realize their limitations and this 6 month buying cycle will end (except for some of the hard core Appleheads). We have already seen reports that demand for iPhones has dropped.

Let's remember, this is the first iteration of the Modern UI on something other than a gaming system or phone. Personally, I think it's more suited for a phone where it excels so I expect the computer interface will evolve over the next year. Also, most tech sites suggest that more creative devices are due out later this year.

What MS needs to concentrate on is Apps and the App store. The app store is too difficult to find things in a fun way and many of the apps out there are poorly implemented. MS should pay outside developers to create top notch apps (I'm still waiting on IMDB, Twitter, Facebook, and Youtube).

Speaking of Youtube, I believe Google sees the Phone 8 as a threat, that's why they are not playing nice with the Trident redirects. As Phone 8 gains more market share (and it will) there will be a spill-over effect to Windows 8.

MS also needs to get the Surface Pro in retail stores beyond the 50 or so Microsoft stores and cut the price. The mindset is that it is a tablet, not an ultrabook. Charging ultrabook prices ain't gonna fly. Moreover, $39 for a stylus and $119 for the keyboard is nuts. Also, the RT surface should be priced around $299 - $349 (keyboard included).

Finally, my 17 year old daughter said she wanted to get a Surface before she goes off to college. This was very telling to me because she is way cooler than I am.



This post was edited by rxcall on Tuesday, January 15, 2013 at 06:49.

#3 By Byron_Hinson[AW] (2047 Posts) at 1/15/2013 7:19:14 AM
Can understand the surface thing for Office, but don't believe it is selling any for being "cool", it certainly isn't selling well in the UK at least in stores. Seems a bad choice for a tablet/thing with a pro version coming out

#4 By Jedi Master (1829 Posts) at 1/15/2013 8:51:19 AM
@rxcall Regarding the "demand" for the iPhone 5 dropping, you might want to give this article a read - http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/01/15/iphone-5-demand-robust-order-cuts-likely-stem-from-improved-yields-supplier-shifts

I promise won't mention the overall lackluster demand for the Windows Phone.

I do agree with you that MS needs to concentrate on apps for their App store. Because one of my wife's Windoze computers died, I had no choice but to replace it with one running Windows 8. We've found that quite a number of the apps from their app store are buggy (many of the games made by MS). Add into that, most apps aren't designed to run under the LetsNotCallItMetro interface. Don't get me started on how confusing the Metro interface is.

FWIW, I used to be a die-hard Windows fan. I switched to the Dark Side three years ago. I do freelance photography, and find the Apple ecosystem more friendly to that. My wife is stuck with Windows (for now) as most of her quilting/embroidery apps are ported to only the Windows platform.

This post was edited by Jedi Master on Tuesday, January 15, 2013 at 08:55.

#5 By rxcall (1411 Posts) at 1/15/2013 12:46:11 PM
My Padawan. "iPhone 5 demand 'robust,' order cuts likely stem from improved yields & supplier shifts" That's a good one.

There are probably a variety of reasons, which may include improved yields & supplier shifts, but the notion that "iStaleness", and aggressive competition from Samsung has not hurt Apple is ludicrous.

#6 By donpacman (749 Posts) at 1/15/2013 8:29:34 PM
Nobody was demanding Metro. This was a Ballmer only decision.

#7 By rxcall (1411 Posts) at 1/16/2013 7:03:28 AM
#6: MS had to do something or they were doomed. You may not like metro (Modern UI) or it's current implementation but IMO MS has the correct idea.

The confluence of desktop and tablet is a natural progression. People don't want multiple devices. You don't see people carrying a smartphone and an mp3 player. Their phone does it all. So too is the evolution of the tablet. I would suggest that people don't want multiple computing devices. I certainly don't, and I think you've seen moves by companies like Apple to meld the two devices. Hell, take a look at the Asus Transformer AiO which combines Windows 8 and Android.

This is the future and MS will continue this approach, however, I suspect Metro will evolve substantially over the next couple of years to make it better and more easily understood by all of the wusses out there.

#8 By donpacman (749 Posts) at 1/16/2013 6:33:44 PM
@ #7
It's not just the UI. It's the idea that Microsoft can go against their customers wishes and expect everybody to buy it. It highlights how Microsoft has a monopoly.

#9 By rxcall (1411 Posts) at 1/17/2013 6:23:28 AM
You mean like Apple changing the size of their phone or antiquating billions power adapters in 1 day? Or Microsoft with the ribbon - I heard a lot of pundits bellyaching about it but have never met any real user who complained. Or like Facebook forcing the timeline on it's users. Or like the fashion industry introducing mass changes every season (do you really think anyone would care if styles didn't change?), or like websites that change for the worse (Ars Technica) vs those that stagnate (Activewin).

The point is, often "features" are not dictated by users; they are introduced as a way to to market "new capabilities" do drive interest and gin up sales.


#10 By Latch (3610 Posts) at 1/17/2013 12:50:00 PM
#9: Still banging the Microsoft drum after all these years? How things have changed. I used to be the lone anti-MS voice here against the deluge of microbots. Now you're the only pro-MS voice here. The times, they are a-changin'.

#11 By rxcall (1411 Posts) at 1/17/2013 3:18:59 PM
#10: Well welcome back. Still offering nothing of value I see.

I'm not all pro Microsoft. When they screw up I call them out. As I pointed out above with the disappointing quality of apps in the store and the structure of the store itself. I just don't get what all the hubbub about this start button. Get over it.

I find the Modern UI interface enjoyable; itís very smooth and when the apps are developed properly itís an excellent mobile interface. Unfortunately, thereís not a whole lot of apps that get it right at this stage.

I also think that itís more suited for a phone. Thatís why I think there will be many changes to Windows 8.

#12 By donpacman (749 Posts) at 1/18/2013 5:38:19 PM
This guy pretty much nails it.

Windows 8: The Animated Evaluation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WTYet-qf1jo

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