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MS turns up heat on warezed WinXP copies | |
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| Time: 03:09 EST/08:09 GMT | News Source: The Register | Posted By: Alex Harris | ||
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The beta of Service Pack 1 for Windows XP has now shipped to testers and, as previously advertised, it declines to install if you're using a leaked WinXP licence key. But - again as previously advertised - it doesn't deactivate your installation, just stops you applying the service pack. But a sharp-eyed reader of Neowin.net has spotted what appears to be an escalation of the role of product activation. The privacy statement now says "To provide you with the appropriate list of updates, Windows Update must collect a certain amount of configuration information from your computer. This information includes: Operating-system version number and Product Identification number... The Product Identification number is collected to confirm that you are running a validly licensed copy of Windows. A validly licensed copy of Windows ensures that you will receive on-going updates from Windows Update." | ||
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| #1 By JDM NZ (147 Posts) at 6/8/2002 5:47:41 AM |
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In New Zealand a certain PC firm has OEM Window XP CD's that can be installed on any machine - I have been told that product activation does not block multiply activations on completely different PC's at the same time or over time.
Is this suppose to occur or has this company or MS screwed up activation? |
| #2 By Anonymous (213.122.71.172) at 6/8/2002 6:01:07 AM |
| Good for you Microsoft! |
| #3 By Anonymous (62.252.0.4) at 6/8/2002 8:00:19 AM |
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I agree with #2 Good for you Microsoft. People who are using a "Wearzed" copy of Windows shuld get what they deserve. No product support or updates from anyone.
If they want product support and updates go get a job and BUY a legal copy of Windows. |
| #4 By Anonymous (68.80.16.98) at 6/8/2002 8:32:13 AM |
| While I agree wholeheartedly with #2 and #3, Microsoft has to do something about owners of multiple PC's. I have only purchased one copy of Windows XP so far because of the price. I can't afford to buy three copies at $200/copy. So my other PC's remain on Win 98 :-( |
| #5 By Anonymous (4.47.17.6) at 6/8/2002 8:34:50 AM |
| if i get cought with my warezed copy can i have the same judges / legal team as microsoft had? |
| #6 By Anonymous (65.81.251.231) at 6/8/2002 8:44:10 AM |
| #4 I *think* that you can buy additional activation codes or licenses for about 20 or so dollars. I may be wrong and I am sure someone will correct me if I am. |
| #7 By andyross (37 Posts) at 6/8/2002 8:56:02 AM |
| Microsoft is supposed to have (I don't know if it's released yet, if ever) a special home license that lets you install a second copy. It's only slightly cheaper than buying a full copy, though. Sort of the same idea as companies buying one physical copy, then buying licenses, usually for a discount depending on how many licenses they buy. |
| #8 By Anonymous (208.63.217.248) at 6/8/2002 8:57:42 AM |
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this is another waste of time. within 15 minutes of SP1 being released to beta testers, everyone knew about the key problem. immediately everyone got a new key, because there is a KeyGen out there for WinXP that produces every type of key you can imagine. AND it works. we only had to generate one corp key before we had one that would work fine, and voila, everyone got SP1 with no problems (it is possible to change your current key in windows XP if you are using the devilsown, there is a text file with instructions someplace). sorry microsoft, you're screwed again.
why did microsoft even make corp keys? how stupid is that!?!? totally bypasses activation. WPA was a waste of time-- i can't believe crackers even bothered trying to crack it since getting around it is so easy. |
| #9 By Anonymous (24.138.35.168) at 6/8/2002 9:35:42 AM |
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To quote a few posts I have seen...
"And why not just use the nice Keygen for WinXP ?? Just let your computer work over the night to generate a nice bunch of 20-30 CD-Keys, and then just pick one of those the next time you reset your system.." "The cracked SP1 was released yesterday and goes under the name of Windows.XP.SP1 %%%%%%%% Oh, and it works fine aswell.. no problemo " And finally from The Register.. "Blocking the leaked keys however isn't likely to get Microsoft very far, because people determined not to use a legitimate key can simply use one of the KeyGen routines to produce a working key. This appears to be impossible to block right now, because the keys produced do seem to be indistinguishable from 'proper' keys, to the extent that they are, sort of, proper keys. In theory this could be stopped if Microsoft had a list of all of the keys it had actually issued, but it probably hasn't, and it'd be a tricky thing to keep up to date. As far as Windows Update is concerned, it also still seems possible to use the corporate version of Windows Update to download your selected patches and updates without having your ID checked. At the moment corporate Windows Update is also claiming it checks your OS and product identification number, but as it's still perfectly feasible to download a WinXP critical update with a Win2k machine (we just did), it's not entirely clear to us where that gets Microsoft. It may be the case that the site collects licensing information if you're running XP and declines to serve you if it's a dodgy copy. But as the message is on the corporate site, again we have a clear statement of intent. ®" When will MSUCKS learn ........ |
| #10 By killlunix (69 Posts) at 6/8/2002 10:39:08 AM |
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"it doesn't deactivate your installation"
SP1 should deactivate illegal copy of XP - that would teach the basterds a lesson - because of them people have to pay more of copies of XP. "But a sharp-eyed reader of Neowin.net has spotted what appears to be an escalation of the role of product activation" The The Register forgot to mentioned that large group of people on NeoWin "Wearzed" copies of XP. And I wouldn't call them "sharp" - quite the opposite. And one more thing, it is *beta* - who in right mind is installing beta of SP then just to redo it all over again in few months. Don't these people have anything else do to that is not contra-productive - like get a life. As I said, I wouldn't call them "sharp" - quite the opposite. But Microsoft could do much-much better job securing XP agents Wearzing - lets hope next time they get right, stop the Wearzing for good. |
| #11 By Alvin (1 Posts) at 6/8/2002 10:43:16 AM |
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I think that Microsoft have been very clever.
By not putting too much emphasis on stopping warez versions until now (they could have implemented this at anytime), they will generate a whole lot of new licenses from users having to purchase the legal copy. I don't know how many illegal copies are out there, but there is probably a reasonable revenue stream there. |
| #12 By daz (1817 Posts) at 6/8/2002 11:51:47 AM |
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Tactics like this will help dramatically reduce the number of warezed copies around, thus increasing sales significantly.
MS has always complained that piracy keeps their prices high. I fully expect a huge drop in prices of MS software as a result of the eradication of most piracy. As a previous poster stated, $200 for each copy is simply too expensive. They should reward those people who have purchased the software by a.) dropping the price and b.) shipping discounted "Family" packs or "Home Network" packs. If they fail to do this, they only hurt themselves. People will either just NOT buy MS software and go back to a warezed copy of Win2K, or they will switch to other OSes. If Linux companies see a surge in downloads and purchases, they will invest more money and Linux will become better and better as the money flows in more, thus perhaps, making it a viable competitor. This is certainly not good for MS. If people go back to Win2K, then MS will have essentially re-created the Win9x nightmare over again: People running antiquated software which prevents MS from moving forward on other innovations. Either way, if MS keeps prices high and cracks down on piracy, they only hurt themselves This post was edited by daz on Saturday, June 08, 2002 at 11:53. |
| #13 By Anonymous (207.202.254.248) at 6/8/2002 11:56:51 AM |
| Yea for Microsoft! Screw you warezers. |
| #14 By Anonymous (80.141.119.87) at 6/8/2002 11:58:36 AM |
| I don't buy Microsoft Products at all. |
| #15 By Anonymous (80.141.119.87) at 6/8/2002 11:59:34 AM |
| Microshit Progs are much too expensive and too buggy. I don't spend my money on it!! |
| #16 By gosh (805 Posts) at 6/8/2002 12:06:13 PM |
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#1 - Major oem's like dell, compaq, use something called SLP. These copies of xp are activated in the factory by using the bios. As long as the hardware and bios dont change, there will never be activation. If SLP fails the oem pc will be prompted to activate, you can activate using the key on the pc (you'll need to change it). Search google on "windows xp" and slp and you'll see what i mean. Small oem's use activation just like retail copies.
#7 - you can buy the 2nd license at shop.microsoft.com but you only save $10. however you are only buying the serial, you wont get a package of xp. So it's not really worth the $10 savings. I think the ironic thing here though is that people got into this windows update mess by there own fear of microsoft. Activation doesnt send any personal info to microsoft, and its really not that bad despitre the hype by the media. BUt i think a good number of people used the pirated key simply to avoid activation, even on legal copies. Now these people are faced with no windows update because of there own paranoia. I say screw them, microsoft has a right to protect there product. I personally have a retail copy of xp, and i dont want people getting xp for free, after all why should i have to pay money for xp but people get it for nothing? That's not fair. -gosh |
| #17 By Q10 (19 Posts) at 6/8/2002 12:48:43 PM |
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erm..#9 are you stupid Beavis? ;)
You say when will MS learn.. It's when will people learn. You don't steal.. If someone broke into your home a stole your TV, then showed up the next day saying.. >>I stole your TV yesterday but I forgot the remote. I really really need that so could I please have it?<<. Would you just say. >>Yes of course. Here you go, enjoy<<?? Then I should probably stop by your home some day..lol ;) |
| #18 By killlunix (69 Posts) at 6/8/2002 1:00:08 PM |
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#15 - then why go through all that trouble and resort to such illegal methods to obtain Microsoft products if they are so "buggy" - worse yet why wareze them when some of MS produces are still in beta????????
Answer me that! |
| #19 By sodablue (5245 Posts) at 6/8/2002 1:15:57 PM |
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I don't know. I'm not a big fan of WPA, primarily from the standpoint that if Microsoft is going to save a lot of money in preventing piracy then one would think they could lower the cost of the software.
Sell XP Home for $50, Pro for $100. No upgrades... just full version price. I hate having upgrades where I have to pull out old versions of things to reinstall. Bleah Everyone in America would upgrade, and you'd have little reason for pirated copies. This post was edited by sodablue on Saturday, June 08, 2002 at 13:16. |
| #20 By JaggedFlame (2581 Posts) at 6/8/2002 1:16:49 PM |
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Microsoft is definitely trying. They're getting somewhere with the casual copiers thing. And if that's still the same goal, that they've always advertised as having, now would be the place to stop. If they're trying to go after the hardcore warezers, then they would keep going.
What pisses me off is not that people get warez... for some people, the high cost and their low standard of living has the potential to justify it. It's when people say stuff like "I deserve to warez Windows" or "Micro$hit sux0rs; I'm doing them a favor by warezing it" I get confused. If you warez stuff, fine. Just don't try to justify it. It's wrong. If you're okay with that, then fine. |
| #21 By athlonrulz (182 Posts) at 6/8/2002 2:00:03 PM |
| Hehe... for those who doesn't have a legal copy all they have to do is to download seperate patches instead of the whole package of SP1. I don't see too much threat to warez users. |
| #22 By RMD (1847 Posts) at 6/8/2002 2:23:10 PM |
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So far, I've bought three copies of Windows XP Pro Full for 50 bucks a piece. I even got a lava lamp with one of them.
I haven't even installed one of them yet. If you want to get a deal on software, you don't have to pirate. :-) |
| #23 By Anonymous (216.220.22.104) at 6/8/2002 2:57:50 PM |
| Hmmmm....Linux is free. I'm all for open source programming. Microsoft DOES NOT need to charge as much as they do for thier products. They've created thier own problem here by the prices that they've chosen to maintain. Microsoft executives are all on the "richest poeople in the world" list. Why's that? $200 for WindowsXP Pro. or free Warezed version and an upgraded pocessor and/or motherboard. Which sounds better to you? I know how I'd like to spend my money. The fact still remains that there are people out there that can't afford WindowsXP. College students for example. But to connect to MY college network, I have to buy XP professional instead of the 100$ cheaper home version. If you ask me it's all bullshit. WIth open source, everyone wins. They sell support, anyone can modify the code to better suit your own personal machine, and because of that, more advances are made in the operating system. I beleive that Linux will take over Windows in the next few years. It has evolved greatly and will continue and there's always that great exclamation of, "IT'S FREE!?!" |
| #24 By Anonymous (66.146.36.216) at 6/8/2002 3:01:57 PM |
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screw all you buying freaks who purchase these OS's....they are buggy and too darn expensive, i can gaurantee you even if MS stopped warezing the prices would still be too high, you seem to forget how greedy man is.
"you make a better security lock, it just takes a better locksmith to break it. :) |
| #25 By RMD (1847 Posts) at 6/8/2002 3:32:35 PM |
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#23 - "Microsoft DOES NOT need to charge as much as they do for thier products."
Then don't pay it. People who warez don't warez because the products cost too much, they warez because the products aren't free. You can't compete with a price of zero. Microsoft could drop their price to 25 bucks, and there would still be tons of warezing, and Microsoft would go out of business at the same time. "i can gaurantee you even if MS stopped warezing the prices would still be too high, you seem to forget how greedy man is." You seem to forget that stupid people shouldn't post on message boards, it's anoying. |
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