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MSN 8 Asks Users to Pay for Some Online Services

Time: 16:00 EST/21:00 GMT | News Source: Gartner | Posted By: Byron Hinson

Microsoft's decision to move MSN to a partial for-pay model reasonably extends the trend in which content and application providers seek financial legitimacy by countering the popular mid-1990s assertion that information ("content" is the more common term in 2002) "wants to be free." The precipitous decline in competition among Internet information and interaction hubs makes the for-pay business model more defensible than ever � the critical issue here.

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#576 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/15/2002 3:52:25 AM

yum, cheesy shells 'n chili.

#577 By 2459 (24.233.39.98) at 10/15/2002 4:51:36 AM

Where have all the cookies gone? :-)

Reference to a commercial. I think Chips Ahoy!

#578 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/15/2002 5:39:25 AM

ah, i haven't watched tv in more than two years now. if i haven't seen the ad online, i haven't seen that ad.

When I saw your post, I thought you might have been referring to browser cookies. I was really lost. : - )

#579 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/15/2002 5:46:09 AM

160 posts is good for enough for one day. I'm done with work, and am so tired. It is interesting that SJ got civil when it started getting late. Hmm.

#580 By 2459 (24.233.39.98) at 10/15/2002 6:07:42 AM

Maybe he's tired.

#581 By 2459 (24.233.39.98) at 10/15/2002 6:11:08 AM

One good thing, he upped both of our postcounts significantly. :-) I should be Master shortly.

#582 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/15/2002 4:05:29 PM

I thought maybe he was the tired one, I was the tired one, or he accepted my comment on us having something in common (the one that compare are commonality to Linux desktop marketshare).

#583 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/15/2002 9:02:56 PM

Oh boy. Last week we had religion. Yesterday was sexuality and argument about rhetorical styles. Today we had politics. Yikes. The buzzwords - communist, abortion, theft...err taxes. Activewin has become rather interesting lately.

#584 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/15/2002 9:30:13 PM

only 259 posts and I'll be ahead of sodablue. :-)

#585 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/15/2002 9:54:57 PM

http://www.activewin.com/awin/comments.asp?ThreadIndex=13407&Group=2

In case you missed it. I'm just not sure what happened with jerk and I. After waking up today he and I haven't argued. Hmm, interesting.

#586 By 2459 (24.233.39.98) at 10/15/2002 10:03:43 PM

I just saw that. I've had pretty good discussions with SJ before. Too bad we can't agree on more things.

#587 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/15/2002 10:58:13 PM

I think jerk likes to argue. That's a problem when you're trying to learn from each other.

#588 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/15/2002 11:01:39 PM

This thread just needs to get to 700.

#589 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/15/2002 11:01:56 PM

2222, that's a cool post count.

#590 By 2459 (24.233.39.98) at 10/15/2002 11:24:55 PM

691

#591 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/16/2002 12:24:35 AM

lol

#592 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/16/2002 2:25:46 AM

I just posted some interesting numbers on http://www.activewin.com/awin/comments.asp?ThreadIndex=13441&Group=Last

I compare market cap, income, and sales of IBM, HP, Oracle. Sun, Apple, and Corel together vs Microsoft.

#593 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/16/2002 2:28:54 AM

K, an article was posted that dealt with my post, so I moved it here http://www.activewin.com/awin/comments.asp?ThreadIndex=13444&Group=Last

so it wouldn't be off topic.

#594 By 2459 (24.233.39.98) at 10/16/2002 4:06:37 PM

You're right. That is interesting.
MS beats out all those companies combined.
I guess that's what happens when you provide what the majority of people desire :-)

I still can't get over the hilarity of a Gosling quote basically saying MS gets more developers because they provide easy-to-use tools.

I mean, if Sun doesn't know that you need to provide tools and support to the people you expect to support your platform, this explains a lot about their (lack of) business sense.
Not to mention McNealy saying they couldn't afford to advertise and evangelise Java like MS does .NET, so they want their devs to start a grass-roots, word-of-mouth campaign. :-)

How are you supposed to run a business without doing what's required and expected of running a business. Distribution: "MS should do that", Product promotion:"Let the devs do it", Company goal:"Sue/slander everyone that opposes our closed standard while we act as indstry enforcers against other companies' closed standards (even if they support us and are key to our success so far -- first MS, now IBM)".
Almost forgot one:"Build hacks of existing standards that tie developers to our one-language, closed standard" :-)

#595 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/16/2002 6:19:59 PM

lol, and that is why I won't write Java. Sun should ask Bill Gates to sit on their board as CIO.

#596 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/16/2002 8:18:53 PM

There is a limit using the vs.net tools of 100 column tables for configuring data adapters. I find that rather annoying. I split a 140 column table I was working on in half, so I could use the tools. I know how a data set with both of these tables and all of the access, manipulation code was auto generated. I'm quite happy about that.

#597 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/17/2002 3:13:14 AM

I wonder if it is his UK-ness, but RichardJC doesn't seem to write posts that make much sense to me. Either they seem way off topic, obvious, or just well, wierd. Maybe it is his Linux-ness. In two different threads

http://www.activewin.com/awin/comments.asp?HeadlineIndex=13001&Group=1

and

http://www.activewin.com/awin/comments.asp?HeadlineIndex=13000&Group=1

I just don't see the point of his posts. You have any ideas on this?

#598 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/17/2002 3:15:19 AM

How is the XBL coming? I'm assuming your silence relates to the fact that you have your kit now. ; - )

#599 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/17/2002 3:15:40 AM

Ya, baby. 700!

#600 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/17/2002 3:23:34 AM

and an even 2310 for me. :) :) :)

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