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Windows XP SP2: Trouble Ahead for Developers, Users

Time: 11:53 EST/16:53 GMT | News Source: eWeek | Posted By: Robert Stein

It sounds like a small milestone, but the second release candidate of Service Pack 2 is a big deal—it's the last rehearsal for the pack's significant turns in security.

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#1 By 6859 (206.156.242.36) at Friday, June 18, 2004 02:01:16 PM

I've used damn near ever linux distro available.

Linux isn't a desktop OS. It isn't capable of competing against Windows in that arena.

Take your trolling elsewhere...perhaps back to the tarpits of Slashdot, from whence you probably spawned.

#2 By 2960 (68.101.39.180) at Friday, June 18, 2004 02:33:27 PM

I installed SP2 RC2 on one machine. My network is VERY secure at that machine now!

That's because the My Network Neighborhood Icon no longer functions. The only way I can get to servers is by opening up a window and typing in a UNC :(

TL

#3 By 531 (199.36.37.55) at Friday, June 18, 2004 03:03:42 PM

Maybe nobody wants to waste their time arguing with a troll... ?

#4 By 10022 (66.66.122.59) at Friday, June 18, 2004 06:30:55 PM

Hate to break it to you but SP2 has all sorts of new IE security stuff that can all be controled with Group Policy

Heres is question that the Linux people dont want to address:

One of the major arguments for Linux is the more "secure" default install (dont really buy that my self but oh well) and the argument that Linux was designed with security in mind (but what security? Modern day Internet & home user security???).

So what if Microsoft actually makes those arguments non-issues? That is, what if Windows were to come with a much more secure default setup? What if they start putting some security logic behind the things that they do?

What happens when every one starts to drop their legacy crap in favor of a totally 2003 SP1/XP SP2 fully native domain and the "everyday" problems that people needlessly face dissapear?

Well I suppose they will then have sound support figured out for the 2004 model sound cards and maybe they will have less then 100 diffrent distro's and only 1 million diffrent web browsers to think about supporting... maybe.. so I guess they could brag about that?

This post was edited by kevn84 on Friday, June 18, 2004 at 18:31.

#5 By 8589 (66.169.175.39) at Friday, June 18, 2004 06:45:50 PM

I for one think it is ludicrous to keep changing the theme*.dll file so that Style XP is broken by every new release of SP2....

#6 By 19992 (69.170.13.208) at Friday, June 18, 2004 07:59:27 PM

#1 Oh come now. Plenty of Linux admins use Bastille which for all intents is wizard driven to secure their Linux machines.

#7 By 19992 (69.170.13.208) at Friday, June 18, 2004 08:00:42 PM

#13 I don't think I've ever laughed out loud reading this site until now.

"What if the Titanic hit a big fluffy marshmellow, rather than an iceberg? "

That's fantastic

#8 By 2201 (81.131.194.173) at Saturday, June 19, 2004 05:02:25 AM

What's wrong with you lot? For the people who keep knocking Microsoft at every turn, who cares what you think? If you hate them so much then use other products. Why moan about everything Microsoft does? Just enjoy the products you have. For the people who love everything Microsoft, there are other choices out there, you have to realise the Microsoft isn't the be all and end all of desktop computers.

I used to be anti-Mac but now find it far easier to enjoy what the Mac has to offer, since we got a whole load of Macs in our office for DVD authoring. Macs are quite good in that respect. There's no point in knocking it cos it's easily as good as Windows.

As for Linux... it's good in it's own way. Being based on Unix isn't a bad thing. Still too geeky to be a proper useful alternative to Windows, but then that's the fun of it, being able to figure things out for yourself. Don't think it's more secure than Windows though, seeing as recently there was a major flaw with it that needed patching.

But then again, who cares about "who's OS is more secure", "which OS has more options", "my dad's bigger than your dad", "my dick is bigger than your dick", it's all so pathetic going on about it. Just enjoy what you have and realise that it's good to have alternatives out there.

#9 By 7711 (68.39.158.19) at Saturday, June 19, 2004 07:41:43 AM

#22...probably the most intelligent post I've seen in a while...thanks...

#10 By 135 (208.186.90.168) at Saturday, June 19, 2004 12:22:20 PM

Stevnz77 - You can download it here... Or at least enough to boot a floppy and flash a bios. :-)

http://www.bootdisk.com/

testman - LOL! What kind of nonsense talk is this? :)

#11 By 23530 (68.228.32.252) at Saturday, June 19, 2004 01:08:01 PM

Have any of you every wondered why Bill didn't build security into his previous operating systems. In a few words, its because he didn't have to because he was the only game in town. Bill worships the bottom line and little else.

Now that Linux is becomming a serious threat to his domane he has developed an interest in security, but that interest is again driven by his worship of the bottom line. Bill never has, doesn't now and probably never will give a damn about the security of your system. Linux is eating away at "HIS" market share and that is what is driving Bill.

Personally, I would rather not do business with a company that behaves in this manner, but untill Linux really gets there what other choices do we non-geeks have?

Did I hear somebody say Mac? Give me a break! Unix, with a face lift is not the answer, but with a little more work, maybe it could be.

#12 By 135 (208.186.90.168) at Saturday, June 19, 2004 04:09:22 PM

Gadget - I'm confused. You don't want to do business with a company that is market driven?

What would you prefer?

#13 By 135 (208.186.90.168) at Monday, June 21, 2004 12:19:46 AM

msucks - Being market driven implies customer driven. As Gadget noted, Microsoft changed their product offerings to satisfy customer demand.

Is it your opinion that being customer driven means shoving stuff down the customers throat and telling them they better like it because they don't have a choice? That seems to be the path most open source zealots wish to go down.

#14 By 23530 (68.228.32.252) at Monday, June 21, 2004 01:37:54 AM

Response to Parkker:

Win Nt, 2000, and XP secure??? Do you have any idea of the number of patches released for these systems. Taking a wild a.. guess, I'll bet it's more than a hundred. There are 70K + viruses out there, every one of them successfull to some degree and all of them pointed at holes in the various versions of Windows.

MS' own sites have been brought down several times by DOS attacks, one in the last few days. Their secure Passport server was hacked recently and numerious other company's sites running MS IIS have been hacked. Yup, that's security.

Governments all over the world are switching to other OS's because of the problems with WINDOWS, security and reliability.

Yup, it's secure and cows fly.

#15 By 2201 (213.122.174.247) at Wednesday, June 23, 2004 02:55:55 PM

#33 Windows is easy to install and update, you just have to use your sense when installing. With updates available from Microsoft on CD and with tons of firewalls and antivirus programs out there, there's no excuse. And yes in general you're supposed to turn off things like firewalls and antivirus packages, but I have never had any problems leaving them on, it's the obscure ones which may damage your system with them on, the majority big ones don't.

#32 Windows isn't secure and nor is any other OS. Governments are not switching cos of security. They are switching cos it's cheaper. Whether it is actually cheaper in the long run we'll see...

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