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Microsoft on Vista: ‘The time of worry is over.’ | |
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| Time: 00:21 EST/05:21 GMT | News Source: | Posted By: Kenneth van Surksum | ||
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Microsoft wants its partners and customers to know that it’s done letting its competitors and critics walk all over Windows Vista.
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This is an archived static copy of ActiveWin.com. |
| #1 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at Wednesday, July 09, 2008 08:18:07 AM |
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A year and a half later, and MS is only now going to tell us the *real story*. I think they need to start innovating in their marketing department.
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| #2 By 23275 (68.186.182.236) at Wednesday, July 09, 2008 09:16:59 AM |
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There is a *real story* here and it does need to be told.
Marketing does need to change - on that we agree. I think Microsoft is going to do something extraordinary... I think they are going to re-market Vista based upon the truth. I know I have shared the truth about the Vista we and our customers know and what it took and takes to deliver a great computing experience based upon the not so new OS. It isn't alchemy; it isn't hype and it sure isn't fanboyism. It's the truth. It's simple really... the connected world grew up and as it became more sophisticated, so did the threats posed by criminals of all types and the way of doing things in a disconnected PC world no longer worked. Windows had to change and it did. Some of those changes were painful for people who did not know what to expect, or how to manage that change. We have always been candid with our customers - we are going to cost a bit more and it is all going to take some work and some time, but it is going to be worth it and more than worth the investment - it is going to pay off and pay off big time - in obvious ways and not so obvious ways... more profitable revenue, happier people with more time to do the things they like to do. At the same time I think the truth campaign is going to be fun. |
| #3 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at Wednesday, July 09, 2008 09:48:10 AM |
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This isn't a great start to telling the real story:
http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/vista/vista_compatibility_what_when_where.html |
| #4 By 23275 (68.186.182.236) at Wednesday, July 09, 2008 10:43:16 AM |
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That site and its purpose were briefed to specific people who then broke the spirit of the release of the information and then shamefully bashed it and linked to it (the site) before it was launched as a BETA!
It's disgusting. Let's break this down: Vista has made enormous progress in device driver coverage and apps compatibility in 18 months - more devices and apps are certified for Vista and sooner than any previous version of Windows A site, as comprehensive resource for people to find certified devices and software will soon be available. The availability of the site and resources was briefied ahead of its BETA release. Asshats broke the spirit of the information release and in exchange for Google dolllars via ads and hits, leaked a story so far out of context that it can't be easily comprehended. Latch links to these stories and holds them out as examples of fact. Well... they are... but the facts point out just how desperate people are for Google dollars. But hey... perception and style points are all that matter today, right...? |
| #5 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at Wednesday, July 09, 2008 01:12:38 PM |
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#4: According to the linked article, the site was announced to everyone at Microsoft's Worldwide Partner Conference, which I would be hard-pressed to classify as "specific people". Were they all under NDA? And why announce a site before it's live? And why a beta site 1.5 years after the release of the product?
A site, as comprehensive resource for people to find certified devices and software will soon be available. Such a site would have been much more useful if they put it up 1.5 years ago. Asshats broke the spirit of the information release and in exchange for Google dolllars via ads and hits, leaked a story so far out of context that it can't be easily comprehended. Funny that you should link "asshats" and "breaking the spirit.." in the same sentence. Does the asshat tag also apply to convicted monopolists that routinely break the spirit of agreements and laws? Latch links to these stories and holds them out as examples of fact. Well... they are... but the facts point out just how desperate people are for Google dollars. But hey... perception and style points are all that matter today, right...? Are they as desperate as the MS foot soldiers that take it upon themselves to continually apologize for MS or otherwise explain away every misstep or gaffe? I don't know for sure, but they look it. |
| #6 By 23275 (68.186.182.236) at Wednesday, July 09, 2008 01:41:15 PM |
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I knew you'd take that hook and go for the BS 1.5 years after launch crap...
It's sad... truly sad, because you don't respect people here enough to even formulate a real opinion of your own. That's all I'm going to say about that - less to compell you to think about what I just said before your answer back. Respect. You don't respect the people here. To your 1.5 year after the fact nonsense, and it surely is... please again take note of the Windows Vista Upgrade Advisor: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/buyorupgrade/upgradeadvisor.mspx pay keen attention to the highlighted "Before you begin" line.... The advisor has been around for 21 months and was published well before Vista was released. IT Pro assessment tools have been available for much longer. The new site, is about more than just upgrades and designed to support partners by connecting people directly to Vista certified and compatible products. "Convicted monopolists" - sorry to break it to Latch, but that was over turned.... and yes due process also applies to American corporations. So no, MS is not a convicted monopolist. |
| #7 By 2231 (72.5.151.4) at Wednesday, July 09, 2008 01:57:00 PM |
| Sorry to break it to you, but the conviction was upheld on appeal on 7 counts of breech of anti-trust law. The sentence was overturned. |
| #8 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at Wednesday, July 09, 2008 02:06:55 PM |
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#6: You're hanging your hat on the 1.5 year thing. What about all the other things I said? Were the attendees of the MS show under NDA? What "spirit of the information release" are you talking about? Is it not idiotic to announce a new site at a big show and then have a "Thanks, go away" beta page when people actually go there? Is MS also an asshat for their dirty (yet legal) dealings as per your definition?
#7: Thanks. I was about to inform him of the same thing. MS has been convicted of abusing their monopoly position in both the US and the EU. That says it all. No amount of spinning or denial can counter that. The fact that Bush & Co saved MS's collective ass is no evidence that the conviction was without merit. |
| #9 By 23275 (68.186.182.236) at Wednesday, July 09, 2008 02:08:46 PM |
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#7, Please note: "The D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals overturned Judge Jackson's rulings against Microsoft. This was in part because the Appellate court had adopted a "drastically altered scope of liability" under which the Remedies could be taken, but also due to the embargoed interviews Judge Jackson had given to the news media while he was still hearing the case, in violation of the Code of Conduct for US Judges.[13] Judge Jackson did not attend the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals hearing, in which the appeals court judges accused him of unethical conduct and determined he should have recused himself from the case"
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| #10 By 23275 (68.186.182.236) at Wednesday, July 09, 2008 02:11:22 PM |
| #8, "On November 2, 2001, the DOJ reached an agreement with Microsoft to settle the case. The proposed settlement required Microsoft to share its application programming interfaces with third-party companies and appoint a panel of three people who will have full access to Microsoft's systems, records, and source code for five years in order to ensure compliance. However, the DOJ did not require Microsoft to change any of its code nor prevent Microsoft from tying other software with Windows in the future. On August 5, 2002, Microsoft announced that it would make some concessions towards the proposed final settlement ahead of the judge's verdict. On November 1, 2002, Judge Kollar-Kotelly released a judgment accepting most of the proposed DOJ settlement. Nine states (California, Connecticut, Iowa, Florida, Kansas, Minnesota, Utah, Virginia and Massachusetts) and the District of Columbia (which had been pursuing the case together with the DOJ) did not agree with the settlement, arguing that it did not go far enough to curb Microsoft's anti-competitive business practices. On June 30, 2004, the U.S. appeals court unanimously approved the settlement with the Justice Department, rejecting objections from Massachusetts that the sanctions were inadequate." |
| #11 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at Wednesday, July 09, 2008 02:24:33 PM |
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#1): Please, playing the semantics game again? In this context, a settlement means essentially a punishment that MS agrees to for being found guilty of the charge. MS would never have agreed to any of this if they weren't guilty. Too bad you didn't read the previous paragraphs in the wiki article you lifted from without citation:
"However, the appeals court did not overturn the findings of fact. The D.C. Circuit remanded the case for consideration of a proper remedy under a more limited scope of liability. Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly was chosen to hear the case. The DOJ announced on September 6, 2001 that it was no longer seeking to break up Microsoft and would instead seek a lesser antitrust penalty." Lesser antitrust penalty = settlement. Try again. |
| #12 By 23275 (68.186.182.236) at Wednesday, July 09, 2008 02:37:15 PM |
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The bottom line is that the conviction was over turned and a new trial set - before that trial concluded, a settlement was reached that the government and MS agreed to.
Lose the convicted portion of your argument and get back on the issue at hand. You're not offering anything. Copies of the beta site image were handed to specific individuals - not to all parties present. Some of those who received it bent it for hits. Address that and offer something of a contribution by way of original thought... or better... use and evaluate Vita objectively and offer solutions to people which actually help. |
| #13 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at Wednesday, July 09, 2008 02:48:16 PM |
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#12: No, the bottom line was that they were guilty but the punishment was overturned. Playing word games does not abrogate the fact that they were guilty and accepted punishment. The shame was that the penalty didn't cause MS to alter the behaviour that got them into trouble to begin with, but then it's not exactly news that MS does whatever it pleases and treats fines as a cost of doing business.
How do you know that copes of the beta site image were handed to specific individuals? Were you there? Are you just making things up as you go along to support your position? |
| #14 By 143 (65.221.158.226) at Wednesday, July 09, 2008 03:40:22 PM |
| Never trust any story that starts with "Once upon a time...Vista". |
| #15 By 23275 (68.186.182.236) at Wednesday, July 09, 2008 06:33:48 PM |
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#13, I asked and received an answer. The site was briefed broadly, but releases were not broadly distributed. This was a classic snark attack and it was wrong headed.
The site connects consumers with partners, device manufacturers and ISV's - where Vista is in the compatible middle. A companion site just for small businesses is also being launched with resources relevant to them. |
